Titanium Hex Set HELP

[leapingbug]

Im looking to get a titanium hex set but dont know where to get one.
Ive seen the great FaQ post by bithead on the sizes so i can just go out and get them 1 by 1 but thatll cost alot more and just get frustrating prolly lol :p

Thanks guys



PS i searched the forum for a half hour with no luck :eek:

[leapingbug]

some one please help me :D

[Hawk]

I have never seen hex cap screw in Titanium for H8. There is + titanium screw set available from a couple of places. I personally don't use Titanium screws. They are not as strong as alloy steel (12.9, 10.9 Din). The same is true of Stainless Steel, not as strong as alloy steel and save no weight. I have not had good luck with SS though they look pretty.
If you like the bling, go with alloy in colors. If you like strength, alloy steel (usually black). If you want to blow money on bragging rights, then Titanium is your best bet.

One thing, in the sizes for the replacement of TP and machine screws in the H8/ST, you are going to have a hard time finding screws in less than 50 packs, some are 100 pieces. That is the problem with not using a packager for screw sets, the numbers are all wrong. You can spend a lot of money buying screws you will never use.

Let me know if you are interested in a set of alloy 12.9/10.9 hex head machine screws for H8/ST.
I may be able to help, or know someone that can.

[mat3833]

hey hawk im looking for a set of steel screws. i want he strongest available and weight isnt a factor. i love my H8 and if it wants to be fat i will let it.

Matt

[leapingbug]

Mat thats funny lol :D
O ok i was under the impresion that titanium was stronger and wiegh less. if all they are used for is to save wieght thats silly :rolleyes:
How much money $usd for the 100 pc set Black alloy steel im interested
Thanks

[leapingbug]

o and hawk what is the very lest to strip 12.9 / 10.9 :D

[mat3833]

lol i kno im funny but my H8 does have a weight problem(least of its worries at the moment it is crippled) and as i said i am not going to influence its decisions. it wants to be bulletproof so it will be! oh and hawk go the hex head sets come with hex drivers/ allen keys?

Matt

[pimpsmurf]

Bit has an alloy steel hex head screw set for the H8, but he was trying to bundle it with stuff IIRC. *shrug*

I might hit up the LHS for some screws for the bottom, but I have yet to have a problem with the stocker screws.

-JNY

[bermbuster]

the term hex head screw mean the head of the screw has 6 sides......
the screws you are looking for have a hex socket and are called socket head cap screws or flat head socket screws....these screws use a hex driver sometimes called an "allen" wrench. Allen is a brand name of the wrench.
In a previous life i was a screw manager.........

[pimpsmurf]

Yeah, I knew that. :D

Apparently CAW ships w/ priority mail, so I should have my Pitbull and alloy top deck tomorrow!!!!! WOOT!

-JNY

[BitHed]

Bit has an alloy steel hex head screw set for the H8, but he was trying to bundle it with stuff IIRC. *shrug*-JNY

...what is IIRC?

[leapingbug]

So does anyone know where i can get these lol :D

[Hawk]

o and hawk what is the very lest to strip 12.9 / 10.9 :D
over 175,000psi tensile strength.

TitaniumCP Grade 2 50,000psi
Titanium 6Al4V 130,800psi
Aluminum 7075 T6 74,000psi
A4-80 (316 Stainless)116,000psi

all numbers are for hex head cap screw

[Hawk]

lol i kno im funny but my H8 does have a weight problem(least of its worries at the moment it is crippled) and as i said i am not going to influence its decisions. it wants to be bulletproof so it will be! oh and hawk go the hex head sets come with hex drivers/ allen keys?

Matt

I will have to check but the ones I have seen do.

[pimpsmurf]

IIRC (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=iirc) = If I Recall Correctly

You can get alluminum screws from your kyosho vendor. Stock ones are steel, which you can get at your kyosho vendor. I don't know about titanium ones (you don't want them anyway)

Don't get stainless because they suck (shear off and bend easily.)

Steel is cheaper, but my LHS charges like 23c per screw. I have to get them piecemeal. haha

I'm probably going to change out the bottom of the chassis screws to flat head hex screws, but the rest are fine with me. I don't have a real problem with them.

-JNY

[Hawk]

the term hex head screw mean the head of the screw has 6 sides......
the screws you are looking for have a hex socket and are called socket head cap screws or flat head socket screws....these screws use a hex driver sometimes called an "allen" wrench. Allen is a brand name of the wrench.
In a previous life i was a screw manager.........

Exactly, generally referred to as socket cap screws. Hex drive sockets with machine screw threads, standard, flush, or button. There are millions of combinations of material, finish and class. Blue coated metrics are used on 1/8 buggys a lot. those are class 12.9 and 10.9 alloy steel.
Biggest problem I have had is finding flush head in smaller sizes like 2.0m and 2.5mm with varying lengths. There are 2.0 and 2.5 TP (self tapping) screws that would do good to be replaced.

As to what Pimpsmirf's comment that the ones in there don't cause trouble: I agree if you don't take things apart and try to put them together again they work fine. If you take them out and put them back more than once, then it all starts falling apart, literally. I don't have good luck with philips head screws for parts that are assembled and dis-assembled often. Second, the screw threads are much steeper angle and as you screw in and out, the path is opened more so that soon they unscrew themselves.

Hex drivers are more positive and if you go to the expense of high performance tools for driving hex screws, then last much longer.

[mat3833]

ok so what should i get for hardware? hex or phillips? i have no hex drivers at all but want a set, i do however have a set of snap on screwdrivers that work great on the H8. i want to get some stronger screws than stock just for insurance. what is my best bet?

Matt

[Hawk]

Mat thats funny lol :D
O ok i was under the impresion that titanium was stronger and wiegh less. if all they are used for is to save wieght thats silly :rolleyes:
How much money $usd for the 100 pc set Black alloy steel im interested
Thanks

The problem with screw sets is do you want the stock screws replaced, are you setting up a Eclipse or PittBull chassis, or something in between.

The Eclipse and PittBull chassis are setup up with different screw sets because most of the itty bitty stuff with the batt. doors, and plastice parts in between the ctr diff and the outer bulkheads are gone.
I guess a good set would be all the bulkhead screws replaced, bottom mount screws (flush heads) and motor mount screws, motor to mount and mount to chassis. I have replaced all the screws in the diff that hold the cups with machine screws and they go together much tighter and straighter.

The other thing is, Like BitHed did, it makes sense to change as many of the bottom and top mount screws to 3mm instead of 2.5/2.6mm TP screws. You can't do that if you use a 3Racing ctr diff mount but it works nicely with the stock ctr diff mount. The ctr diff housing is much stronger and straighter with real screws in it. (imho).

So, there are many options and each screw set would have to be custom built, or at least some chassis componnent sections would have to be different.

[Hawk]

ok so what should i get for hardware? hex or phillips? i have no hex drivers at all but want a set, i do however have a set of snap on screwdrivers that work great on the H8. i want to get some stronger screws than stock just for insurance. what is my best bet?

Matt

This is a good set and the price is right. The same set from Hudy is over $100. The 1.5, 2.0 and once in a while, 2.5mm will be used with H8. I didn't run into any 3.0 or bigger.

also, a tap and handle would help. If you are going to put 3mm screws in where they used to have 2.5/2.6 mm TP screws, if you run a 3mm .5 mm tap in and back out, you will have much better success. I know that that seems to be a luxury but they can be had for $3.50 and a handle for and $2. I don't ususally bother putting a tap in on the 2.5machine screw holes. Just have to be diligent and careful ... oh yes, and straight.

[mat3833]

hmmm now i need a pitbull or an eclipse... this car is like a drug!! it gets better and better each step you just need more!

Matt

[BitHed]

...The 3R center hub with 2.5 hex's in it is just a totally different beast...Its so nice...And all my other spots all got 3mm hex's...just tightend the whole car up really nicely...

[mat3833]

so im guessing you went and bought a tap and the screws and sat for like 1 hour.

Matt

[BitHed]

...nope...3mm will screw into most parts no problem...the only part i redrilled was the 3R motor mount to take the motor (2.6mm -> 3mm) and the holes on the chassis...Which i do now for clients anyway...BTW a 3mm hole works GREAT with a 6.5mm bit to make the heatsink ;) basically you multiple the hole by TWO and ADD 0.5 :D

[mat3833]

BTW a 3mm hole works GREAT with a 6.5mm bit to make the heatsink ;) basically you multiple the hole by TWO and ADD 0.5 :D

what??? srry i dont get it

Matt

[Hawk]

...nope...3mm will screw into most parts no problem...the only part i redrilled was the 3R motor mount to take the motor (2.6mm -> 3mm) and the holes on the chassis...Which i do now for clients anyway...BTW a 3mm hole works GREAT with a 6.5mm bit to make the heatsink ;) basically you multiple the hole by TWO and ADD 0.5 :D
I think he meant to say 'Counter sink', not heat sink.
:confused:

[mat3833]

lol it all makes sense now

Matt

[bermbuster]

A good "trick" for tapping is to make a tapping block.

[Hawk]

Most of the 3R suspension stuff like the pin holders are setup up for 2.5mm screws. You can just run them in and put threads in the holder on the way in or you can ream (or drill if that is your way) the holes to clear the 3mm screws.
I drilled the holes in the motor mount for 3mm screws setup for the Aon 2415-4900. I changed to a Hyperion 5000kv and it fit fine because that one has two different mount hole sets to pick. I put an X-Speed in the mount and the 2.5mm screws worked just fine. I had to use flush head 2.5mm screws with it and all was good.

[Hawk]

A good "trick" for tapping is to make a tapping block.

You're as serious a cancer aren't you?

I just use a drill press or the mill to make sure it is straight. Didn't think I would see one of those on this board.

[mat3833]

i dont like drill presses... had one almoast take my finger off. im glad the glove seam was weak... if it had been made strong... *shiver*

Matt

[Hawk]

i dont like drill presses... had one almoast take my finger off. im glad the glove seam was weak... if it had been made strong... *shiver*

Matt


LOL, Yeah, I have this garage full of power tools but I never plug them in because I don't want to get hurt.

[mat3833]

lol my step dad is a cunstruction worker. he drilled a 3/8 inch hole in his leg, slapped duck tape over it and continued working..... he is crazy

Matt

[bermbuster]

Hey Mat,
rule number one.....around moving machinery no gloves....loose clothing or jewelry.
It must be my German heritage that makes me this serious.....
and my constant beatings as an apprentice....... :p

[mat3833]

lol, i was drilling a hole for a brake line mount when it almoast happened. i had been working with brake fluid before so i had the gloves on. i realy hate it when my hands start burning...

Matt

[BitHed]

...well i sliced a finger while fabricating the STiffy...Hawk sliced and diced his digits when cleaning his mill...We should make a racing team called 9 Fingers :D lol...

...Tapping block looks cool...I have no idea how to use it but its cool...You pre-fit the screws to see what size hole to make? BTW what is with the thread on a 3mm screw? There is a 0.5 and a 0.6 version? I picked up a elcheapo tap that will fit into my TAMIYA pin-vice...Primitive but it works...

[mat3833]

lol it would have taken my throttle finger off :eek:

Matt

[leapingbug]

OMG mat that would have bine dramatic :eek: but you prolly would have learned to use the other hand and have a good story to tell LOL :D

So bit can you comprise some sizes of the hex swap your useing
And Who is selling the sets and for howmuch :o

[mat3833]

lol i dont adapt well...

Matt

[BitHed]

...I suppose i could make up some sets with Hawk's help...But dont hold your breath..I am taking some mental time off from selling...I want to have some fun for a change...

[mat3833]

lol you deserve a rest bit

Matt

[leapingbug]

:eek: OF COURSE AS SOON AS I NEED YA (o i need a break) NO YOU NEED TO WORK ON MY HEX SET :mad: LOL just kidin ya lol :D
So Bit wheres the best place to get the hexs at even if i hafta get emm one by one. O I will get HEX
And could you post the sizes that your useing kinda like you did for the FaQ
ya know sizes amount of them and counter sunk or flush
If aint to much work for ya lol j/k :D

[mat3833]

poor bit

Matt

[leapingbug]

Poor Bit What About Me Lol :d

[mat3833]

LOL, he had to deliver like 50 diffs...

Matt

[leapingbug]

damn i hope you got sommin from it :D

[bermbuster]

selling those diffs turned bit into a millionaire...now he doesnt need to work anymore....... :cool:

[Hawk]

I think it turned him into a raving lunatic. They just let him out for a couple of hours today and here he is...
Guess who's back... Back again, Bitty's back... Tell a friend
guess who's back
guess who's back
guess who's back....

[leapingbug]

Ya bit is siting some where on beach as sand gently tickles his feet with hot sun beaming on his face. as he sips on his margarita hes carefull not to smeare the glob of sunscreen that covers only his nose. Hes so content here the only thing that reminded him of how he got this far is seeing the glair on people as they walk along the beach from his platnium neckles casted as a DIFF. And this is whay he cant make me a Hex set beacause he allready has a platnium diff neckles DAMN and just when i need one COME IN CHARELY lol :D
NO i meen serously what are the measurements for the hardware PLEASE BIT :D
We all wanna know

[bermbuster]

leaping........just ask those men in there clean white suits....................

[Hawk]

I am working on it right now. Give me a week.


I have chassis setup
I will put together bulkhead sets (2 per)
I will put together suspension sets (2 per)
I will sugest suspension pins

I have L wrench supplies.

[leapingbug]

Where are they comming again LOL :D
(Its late )

[leapingbug]

I am working on it right now. Give me a week.


I have chassis setup
I will put together bulkhead sets (2 per)
I will put together suspension sets (2 per)
I will sugest suspension pins

I have L wrench supplies.


Cool thanks How much are you thiking itll cost :D

[Hawk]

I'll let you know tomorrow. One thing at a time.

[pimpsmurf]

As to what Pimpsmirf's comment that the ones in there don't cause trouble: I agree if you don't take things apart and try to put them together again they work fine. If you take them out and put them back more than once, then it all starts falling apart, literally. I don't have good luck with philips head screws for parts that are assembled and dis-assembled often. Second, the screw threads are much steeper angle and as you screw in and out, the path is opened more so that soon they unscrew themselves.

Hex drivers are more positive and if you go to the expense of high performance tools for driving hex screws, then last much longer.

Yes. I do take run through the buggy a bit, but I only have trouble with philips head screws when screwing into new plastic (bulkheads, normally.) If I use the right screwdriver, it isn't an issue. 3mm screws are even better because you can use the flat-tipped philips head screwdriver which *NEVER* strips. The 2.6-2.5mm screws do tend to strip, even with the right tool.

I'll probably just go to hex screws since I already bought a nice metric set of dynamite tapered titanium hex drivers. =)

-JNY

[bermbuster]

Nothing like the right tool for the job.......

[leapingbug]

So whats the update on the Hex :D

[BitHed]

...update is that BitHed and Hawk are wading through lists of screws and trying to decide what to have for lunch :D Hawk is leading the show though ;) But he was muttering something about needing some new bi-focals :cool:

[leapingbug]

...update is that BitHed and Hawk are wading through lists of screws and trying to decide what to have for lunch :D Hawk is leading the show though ;) But he was muttering something about needing some new bi-focals :cool:
cool well be here waiting just fill us in.
Thanks
try a BLT there good :p

[pimpsmurf]

I don't know if this is old news but...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kyosho-Mini-Inferno-Titanium-Screw-Set-112pcs_W0QQitemZ6035008375QQcategoryZ34063QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

I don't know if they are the same size or threads as stock, but it might be worth a look.

-JNY

[leapingbug]

Well how was the blt :p
And any news on the hardware

[leapingbug]

Still waiting